Comments on: Pension Funds in Canada: The Best Way to Break into Finance Through the Side Door? https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/ Discover How to Get Into Investment Banking Thu, 29 Feb 2024 03:13:46 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.5.5 By: M&I - Brian https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/#comment-728722 Fri, 07 May 2021 00:25:24 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=25214#comment-728722 In reply to Yes.

Yes.

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By: Yes https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/#comment-728536 Sat, 01 May 2021 08:17:14 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=25214#comment-728536 Can a person from Infra PE at pension fund doing minority investments make the jump to a traditional infra fund?

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By: M&I - Brian https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/#comment-628880 Tue, 28 Mar 2017 23:11:35 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=25214#comment-628880 In reply to Jordan.

Probably $150K-$200K CAD as a first-year Associate at the top 2 pension funds and less at the others. Not sure about VP pay.

The CEOs of some Canadian pensions earn into the millions (see: http://fairpensionsforall.net/2015/02/08/canada-pension-fund-managers-highest-paid-in-world-pension-pay-dilemma-becomes-acute/), but the average MD, even at CPPIB, may not necessarily earn that much. I would say high six figures are more likely, with a few earning above that depending on performance.

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By: Jordan https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/#comment-628174 Sun, 26 Mar 2017 23:49:43 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=25214#comment-628174 Great article! Any rough guidance on salary for Analyst/Associate/VP/MD equivalent levels at the major pension funds? How would this differ between a CPPIB/Teacher vs. Caisse? Can MDs at these funds still pull in $1mm+?

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By: M&I - Brian https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/#comment-627303 Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:15:32 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=25214#comment-627303 In reply to Kevin.

It will be extremely tough because recruiting in Canada is extremely tough even for citizens there. You’re much better off focusing on the U.S., assuming you’re a U.S. citizen.

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By: Kevin https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/#comment-626739 Thu, 23 Mar 2017 12:09:07 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=25214#comment-626739 Brian, thanks for this – great read. Quick question – I will be enrolling in the MFin program at University of Toronto this fall and was just wondering if you had any thoughts on recruiting for IB in Toronto as a non-canadian citizen? A lot of the banks in the U.S don’t say directly, but not being a U.S citizen is usually a factor that goes against you in a superday kind of situation. Just wondering if you think it’s the same in Canada as well maybe?

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By: M&I - Brian https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/#comment-617938 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 15:19:50 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=25214#comment-617938 In reply to Dustin.

Thanks for adding those points.

Regarding the first one: Yes, obviously, but we try to disguise interviewees’ identities by using language such as “top 10” even if it is not meaningful in the particular market.

On your second point, OK, sure, but how does that really change the interviewee’s points? Both you and he seem to argue that Canadian pension funds pay absurd prices, at least for Canadian assets, and, occasionally, for international assets (as with the London airport example).

On the third point, sure, I’ve changed around the math in the article.

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By: Dustin https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/#comment-617906 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 13:48:47 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=25214#comment-617906 lol @ top 10 Canadian pension fund – only two Canadian pension funds that are legit: CPP and Teachers. I don’t even think I can name 10.

Any pension fund outside of the top 2 (OMERS, PSP, Caisse, HOOPP, bcIMC, AIMCO, OPTrust, etc.) are fairly weak, both with regards to talent level and compensation. You will make more as a 3rd year IB Analyst than a VP-equivalent position at these funds. No joke. Public sector employee salaries are publicly disclosed in Canada and you can look this up.

Regarding tax: Canadian pension funds are non-taxable ONLY IN CANADA. They still have to pay taxes on foreign operations and earnings. OP mentioned it him/herself (“We also spend a lot of time structuring deals to minimize the local tax burden.”). Any time a Canadian asset is up for sale, you can bet that a Canadian pension fund is going to win the auction since they can pay absurd prices in the absence of taxes. If a Canadian pension fund manager didn’t win the auction, you know the buyer overpaid.

The math for odds of breaking into Canadian IB is totally off too. Of the ~300 or so graduates interested in IB, a certain portion of them go off to work in the U.S. or London. They’re not all competing for jobs in Canada. This is partially offset by students from semi-target schools such as Waterloo / Laurier, Calgary, Alberta, UBC, etc. (all of OCR at the Big 5).

Also, “Big 5” banks in Canada have been hiring ~8-12 Analysts a year for their Toronto head office for the last few years now.

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By: M&I - Brian https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/#comment-617720 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 06:26:36 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=25214#comment-617720 In reply to Kyle.

Unfortunately, no. No volunteers yet.

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By: Kyle https://mergersandinquisitions.com/canadian-pension-fund-jobs/#comment-617710 Wed, 01 Mar 2017 06:21:30 +0000 https://www.mergersandinquisitions.com/?p=25214#comment-617710 I’m a big fan of your site and I read something on here everyday. I was wondering if you have any interviews/articles lined up for finance careers in the Cayman Islands?

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